Thread: Wladimir Klitschko is now fighting Ruslan Chagaev!

Originally Posted by elephant man

He was out of shape no doubt about it but that was mostly because he did the same thing he did with Hasim Rahman I...He didnt take him seriously and came in at 253lbs(Only 3lbs lighter than he was v Vitali)Because he was facing Kirk Johnson(Who Lewis would have beat EASILY imo)Johnson pulled out and Lewis accepted Vitali on a 10 day notice.
The thing is about the Lewis/Klitschko rematch for me is that I totally agree with you that he didnt have anything left to prove and thats fine,but he gave interviews in which he said he wanted a rematch and in one he even said he would come in much lighter(December 6th was the muted date)

New York - British heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis wants a rematch with Vitali Klitschko before fighting rival champion Roy Jones.
But he wants a doctor to ensure a deep gash over the Ukrainian's left eye has healed.
World Boxing Council champion Lewis beat Klitschko last month when a doctor stopped their fight after six rounds and has opened talks for a rematch, most likely on December 6, rather than fight World Boxing Association king Jones.
"I'm opting for the rematch," Lewis said. "I enjoyed that fight. We just went at it. Obviously you have to play dollars and cents in, but I'm opting more for the rematch."
Lewis predicted a fifth-round knockout in the rematch, which would depend on the findings of an independent doctor, provided Klitschko's camp agrees to such a check-up. Lewis said his people were in the process of asking permission.
"We definitely want our own doctor to check him out. We're discussing that with them. There should be no problem with that," Lewis said.
"We want an independent doctor to check him out. I don't want to go through any training and then find out his eye won't hold up. We want to go in, check it out and go from there."

If Klitschko's eye has not healed sufficiently, Lewis said his likeliest choices would be retirement or a "big man-little man" showdown with Jones, the first former middleweight in more than a century to wear a heavyweight crown.
"We will have to look at other options," he said. "One is Roy Jones, or calling it a day or see what else is out there, but I don't see anything else that is out there."
Lewis, two months shy of his 38th birthday, said he has spoken with Jones and believed he would take less money than Lewis if the two fought.
"Me and Roy have talked on the phone. We're leaving our options open," Lewis said. "We wanted to get a sense of the numbers involved. I haven't found he's a hard guy to negotiate with, though."
Lewis said a fight against Jones would be easier than one against Klitschko, even though he admitted Jones' speed would be a fatiguing factor. "You can run but you can't hide," Lewis said.
Lewis had no specific timetable by which he wanted to know whether the Klitschko rematch would be on or off, saying, "We've got plenty of time still. Hopefully in the near future."
As far as future fights, Lewis said he wants to fight more but "not for too long" but wants answers about Klitschko and Jones before deciding to retire.

In his first fight after a year's lay-off, Lewis was rocked early but fought back and opened a cut that stopped the fight, a decision Klitschko disputed and fans jeered.
But Lewis warned that Klitschko should beware what he wishes for, because he might get more rounds against Lewis.
"I don't mind the rematch. I'm tougher than him. I'm better than him," Lewis said."He was lucky. He would have been knocked out. He was holding on for dear life. I was dragging him around the ring.
"I was on his ass from the get go. That fight wasn't going the distance and the next one is not going the distance either.
"I will have a lot more sparring to prepare for him. I'm just going to give it to him from round one. He definitely won't get as many shots in.
"He's going to get knocked out. I would say in the fifth round."
Lewis plans on targeting Klitschko's cut eye in the rematch. "Absolutely," he said. "If I can't get that side I'll get the other side. He cuts easily."

July 2003







As soon as Vitali was given the green light by doctors that he could fight,lennox Lewis retired!!
December 6th(When the rematch was supposed to take place)Vitali knocked out Kirk Johnson in 2 Rounds at Madison Square Garden.
I dont understand why he talked about a rematch and even RJJ for months only to retire,why not just say your retiring earlier?

Because generally you can't just decide whether you want to retire or not in a month. Pretty obvious really apart from to the Klitschko fanboys.

Originally Posted by NFFC

Because generally you can't just decide whether you want to retire or not in a month. Pretty obvious really apart from to the Klitschko fanboys.

What?
lewis said straight away he wanted a rematch with Vitali,if he couldnt get Vitali he wanted RJJ.
He went on saying this for months,the date suggested was December 6th 03,Lewis even said that for the rematch with Vitali he would come in lighter and ko him in 5 but he would only fight once Vitali got his eye injury cleared by medics...Vitali did just that and Lewis retired.
Calzaghe fought RJJ in November,2 months later he retired,he didnt drag it on for months saying "Im gonna fight Nard" and then suddenly retire.
Lewis announced his retirement in February 04,Fucking 8 MONTHS LATER,For 5 of those months he was talking Rematch

Originally Posted by hommage

Changaev should have only been attacking the body. He was too small to hit Wlad in the head.

Wlad should have finished this fight within 3 rounds. He was so much better than Changeav.

If a smaller fighter has good latteral and incoming head movement, quick feet and power they can roll under shots and come up with big hooks or uppercuts, Tyson and Frazier did this very well amongst others.

Chagaev showed very little head movement, latteral movement or incoming ducking and rolling head movement. Neither did he have quick feet or quick hands or any agression coming forward. Rather he had a traditional high guard, slow feet that he set to much and he had slow hands.

He had absolutely ZERO that could trouble Wlad who to me still looks slow and ponderous.

Wlad has a powerful right hand when he lines it up and the jab when he is not pawing it is powerful also.

BUT!!!

The commentators are FULL of SHITE!!!!

Chagaev was pure GASH so much so that I think anyone like Sprott or Chisora would have presented more of a challenge.

Chagaev was truely abysmal preciely because he was risk averse. He was too controled when NOT in control if you understand me?

And that guarenteed that he would slow;y but surely slip until stopped.

At least a semi shit fighter like Sprott, Chisora, Rogan, Arreola etc would try and land some big shots...Chagaev for all his past has paid for his time out of the ring and he was pathetic.

David Haye would KTFO of Chagaev in 3 rounds.

And despite being a big underdog I think his hand speed will terrify Wlad and probably result in him either KTFO of Wlad or forcing Wlad to open up for fear of getting whacked.

At least that would be interesting unlike this load of pure shit.

If I had listened any more to Jim Watt trying to say how interesting and worthy a fight this was I think I might have truely vomited on or shit myself.


Pure Garbage

Originally Posted by calzaghefella

If a smaller fighter has good latteral and incoming head movement, quick feet and power they can roll under shots and come up with big hooks or uppercuts, Tyson and Frazier did this very well amongst others.

Chagaev showed very little head movement, latteral movement or incoming ducking and rolling head movement. Neither did he have quick feet or quick hands or any agression coming forward. Rather he had a traditional high guard, slow feet that he set to much and he had slow hands.

He had absolutely ZERO that could trouble Wlad who to me still looks slow and ponderous.

Wlad has a powerful right hand when he lines it up and the jab when he is not pawing it is powerful also.

BUT!!!

The commentators are FULL of SHITE!!!!

Chagaev was pure GASH so much so that I think anyone like Sprott or Chisora would have presented more of a challenge.

Chagaev was truely abysmal preciely because he was risk averse. He was too controled when NOT in control if you understand me?

And that guarenteed that he would slow;y but surely slip until stopped.

At least a semi shit fighter like Sprott, Chisora, Rogan, Arreola etc would try and land some big shots...Chagaev for all his past has paid for his time out of the ring and he was pathetic.

David Haye would KTFO of Chagaev in 3 rounds.

And despite being a big underdog I think his hand speed will terrify Wlad and probably result in him either KTFO of Wlad or forcing Wlad to open up for fear of getting whacked.

At least that would be interesting unlike this load of pure shit.

If I had listened any more to Jim Watt trying to say how interesting and worthy a fight this was I think I might have truely vomited on or shit myself.


Pure Garbage

I agree completly Tyson Fury could have troubles Wlad more lol

Haye would scare the shit out of Wlad forcing him back and he leaves himself wide open if you watch carefully

Haye will be pleased with what he saw the same old boring Wlad (I must admit his technique is working really well very affective)

Jim Watt and Ian Darke know exactly what they are talking about, they were on Wlads nuts all night long.
They know they have witnessed greatness!!

That pictue looks like something from the Nuremberg Rally

Out of interest Elephant, why do you rate Wlad so highly and speak of greatness for that last night and yet not rate Lennox Lewis so much?