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**NFFC** · 08-09-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by the_godslayer

I agree ... its a shame though IMO

It is because he was a good boxer. Would be a shame to see him just fade.

**C.J.Rock** · 10-11-2008, 04:33 PM

What if Ike Ibeabuchi hadnt called that greedy hooker in vegas that night.....
They'd be no wondering who the best HW in the world was today

Moran · 10-22-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by the_godslayer

What if Naseem Hamed never left the Ingle camp, would he have beaten Barrera and gone on to become the ATG he should be remembered as?

i dislike Hamed ,but I don't think Ingle could teach him anything new.In fact I have a low opinion of Ingle as a teacher and trainer,and of most of his fighters .I don't see Hamed as an alltime great he got schooled in his biggest test where he was more concerned about flying in his personal hair stylist and his ring entrance than the job in hand .I won some money when he got beat and never have I enjoyed a victory more ,the only time he has given me so much pleasure is when he tried to do a somersault in the ring once and landed flat on his face. Hamed recent court case gave us an insight into his character,but that aside I have allways thought him overated ,most particularly by himself.

**TommyGunn** · 10-22-2008, 09:14 PM

Ingle is no ordinary trainer, 99.9% of fighters who come out his gym are unorthodox (i always thought his fighters as unorthodox but effective) and i think that is what Daz's meaning is here. Steward and Suarez tried to turn Hamed into a conventinal fighter which is something in my opinion he could never have been. If he never left Ingle though there would have been a chance that we would have seen a much different Hamed in the ring that night against MAB. Theres a chance we could have seen the flashy, fast fighter who came with punches from every angle and then some. Obviously nobody can say that for sure but a lot of people are of that opinion also.

WILLIOWONE · 11-07-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TommyGunn

What if Joe Cortez had not ref'd Hatton vs Mayweather?

Hatton would have SD mayweather,Hatton's in fighting was none existent thanks cortez.cortez was constently interfering,pulling Hatton away from doing any damage.am a Hatton fan and it makes me mad to think he never had a fair crack at the whip.look at the difference in the castillo Hatton & mayweather Hatton fights,cortez in charge of both.what do you think?

**NFFC** · 11-08-2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by WILLIOWONE

Hatton would have SD mayweather,Hatton's in fighting was none existent thanks cortez.cortez was constently interfering,pulling Hatton away from doing any damage.am a Hatton fan and it makes me mad to think he never had a fair crack at the whip.look at the difference in the castillo Hatton & mayweather Hatton fights,cortez in charge of both.what do you think?

It's possible...we'll probably never know...

**ulster86** · 11-08-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WILLIOWONE

Hatton would have SD mayweather,Hatton's in fighting was none existent thanks cortez.cortez was constently interfering,pulling Hatton away from doing any damage.am a Hatton fan and it makes me mad to think he never had a fair crack at the whip.look at the difference in the castillo Hatton & mayweather Hatton fights,cortez in charge of both.what do you think?

I'm a big Hatton fan too mate but to be honest I don't think it would have changed the outcome. It might have been a bit more competitive but at the end of the day Mayweather was just too good. He was winning the inside exchanges aswell so a rematch would be pointless in my opinion. Cortez was a disgrace though, the stuff he let Mayweather away with was a joke.

E-DUBB · 11-13-2008, 03:02 AM

what i dont really understand about some of you guys,is how you can excuse ricky hattons holding and talk about how if he would have been able to impliment his gameplan he would have upset mayweather and then berate and belittle bernard hopkins who uses similiar tactics at times...(maybe its because bernard isnt british

)...oh i dont know,can some of you please explain the difference?...and by the way it wouldnt have mattered who the referee was,floyd mayweather was one of the very best of his generation(maybe THE best)and on a whole different level than hatton...and like him or not,i have never seen a fighter that would take him to school in any generation...and i am not saying he is the best of all time or would have beat everybody,what i am saying is his skill level is comparable and would have made him competetive against ANYBODY from ANY generation from 130-147...

**TommyGunn** · 11-13-2008, 03:53 PM

Mayweather would have still probably won but my point is the ref never gave Ricky a chance. I wouldn't compare Rickys holding to Nards either, they dont really compare IMO Eddie. Hattons throws 80-100 punches a round, Hopkins averages about 30. Hattons an exciting fighter, Hopkins just aint.

**C.J.Rock** · 11-14-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by E-DUBB

what i dont really understand about some of you guys,is how you can excuse ricky hattons holding and talk about how if he would have been able to impliment his gameplan he would have upset mayweather and then berate and belittle bernard hopkins who uses similiar tactics at times...(maybe its because bernard isnt british

)...oh i dont know,can some of you please explain the difference?...and by the way it wouldnt have mattered who the referee was,floyd mayweather was one of the very best of his generation(maybe THE best)and on a whole different level than hatton...and like him or not,i have never seen a fighter that would take him to school in any generation...and i am not saying he is the best of all time or would have beat everybody,what i am saying is his skill level is comparable and would have made him competetive against ANYBODY from ANY generation from 130-147...

Eddie M********* was born with fantastic boxing skills no one denies that and would probably have beaten Hatton anyway BUT Joe Cortez was put in charge of that fight to ENSURE Hatton had no chance. That he achieved.
But not only that the three hometown judges were there to make sure if Hatton lasted the distance he still couldnt win.
Hatton had lost that fight before he left the dressingroom

10-11-2008, 04:33 PM	#22 (permalink)
C.J.Rock Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Jackson Ms Posts: 271	Re: Gone Too Fast: The WHAT IF? Myth What if Ike Ibeabuchi hadnt called that greedy hooker in vegas that night..... They'd be no wondering who the best HW in the world was today __________________ I aint afraid of no ghost.. Bernard Hopkins "why are you retiring Floyd"? "Err Antonio" Keep on Punchin' CJ

10-22-2008, 09:14 PM	#24 (permalink)
TommyGunn Administrator Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,016	Re: Gone Too Fast: The WHAT IF? Myth Ingle is no ordinary trainer, 99.9% of fighters who come out his gym are unorthodox (i always thought his fighters as unorthodox but effective) and i think that is what Daz's meaning is here. Steward and Suarez tried to turn Hamed into a conventinal fighter which is something in my opinion he could never have been. If he never left Ingle though there would have been a chance that we would have seen a much different Hamed in the ring that night against MAB. Theres a chance we could have seen the flashy, fast fighter who came with punches from every angle and then some. Obviously nobody can say that for sure but a lot of people are of that opinion also. __________________

11-13-2008, 03:02 AM	#28 (permalink)
E-DUBB Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 57	Re: Gone Too Fast: The WHAT IF? Myth what i dont really understand about some of you guys,is how you can excuse ricky hattons holding and talk about how if he would have been able to impliment his gameplan he would have upset mayweather and then berate and belittle bernard hopkins who uses similiar tactics at times...(maybe its because bernard isnt british)...oh i dont know,can some of you please explain the difference?...and by the way it wouldnt have mattered who the referee was,floyd mayweather was one of the very best of his generation(maybe THE best)and on a whole different level than hatton...and like him or not,i have never seen a fighter that would take him to school in any generation...and i am not saying he is the best of all time or would have beat everybody,what i am saying is his skill level is comparable and would have made him competetive against ANYBODY from ANY generation from 130-147... Last edited by E-DUBB; 11-13-2008 at 03:16 AM.

11-13-2008, 03:53 PM	#29 (permalink)
TommyGunn Administrator Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,016	Re: Gone Too Fast: The WHAT IF? Myth Mayweather would have still probably won but my point is the ref never gave Ricky a chance. I wouldn't compare Rickys holding to Nards either, they dont really compare IMO Eddie. Hattons throws 80-100 punches a round, Hopkins averages about 30. Hattons an exciting fighter, Hopkins just aint. __________________